Of course there is a profit motive to keeping things in the App Store, but it’s also a way to limit bad programming from marring user experience (like you said, this is often the problem with Flash). This gives credence to the strict App Store policies, whether developers like them or not.

As for me, I’ve had repeatedly bad experience with Flash. I installed a Flash blocker plugin long ago and it has since saved my web experience. Considering how well Flash runs in Windows, I tend to think Adobe just hasn’t prioritized the Mac platform which is now biting them.

-Will

As with ANY programming language, it takes a great programmer with the knowledge of “programming” in general, to make an application that doesn’t hog resources.

It’s not FLASH that is causing you to have poor experiences…its poor flash developers! I think by jumping on the flash bashing bandwagon you are just showing off how little you actually know about the issue.

HTML5 and FLASH are NOT competitors…They are two VERY different programming platforms.

I can build an HTML5 app that will crash the hell out of your safari, just as bad as some poor sap could do with flash. I could also build a flash app that will run smoothly on your machine…

Apple didnt allow flash on their devices for one reason and one reason alone…It would have made their App Store obsolete. Why would ANYONE develop an app and share 30% of its profits with apple, when you could develop a flash version for a fraction of the price, and keep 100% of the cashflow.

Cmon now, stop being irresponsible and spreading mis-information. Just because steve jobs says something, doesn’t make it fact, or even the truth.

I would’ve assumed that you had some clue as to what you were talking about if you hadn’t asked if flash can be saved…lol

Have you seen the MoleHill 3D API Adobe just announced? They basically just claimed the web as their new HD 3D Gaming market.

If you don’t know yet, you will soon, when you’re favorite console games are making their way to the browser VIA FLASH.

Take some time to investigate whats actually going on behind the scenes before making a post that is going to be seen by so many people…Flash is a fantastic platform for developing, and it grows every day in its many ways of innovating and going places no one else has…

I haven’t been doing any flash for a good 6 months to a year, totally focused on HTML5 (mostly because the clients don’t really know what they are talking about and REQUEST it for things they shouldn’t). HTML5 and FLASH go hand in hand, and there is no way to have a full and complete internet without them both.

By the time HTML5 is even giving a majority of users its promised features, flash will be so beyond what html5 is at that time, it will be sad. w3c and html spec’s take WAY too long to keep up.

Better check yo facts!

much love

Amen Jobs.

I use Macintosh computers and any time a site uses flash, the CPU temp skyrockets. I use SMC Fan Control app to measure the CPU temps. For most of the Macs I use the systems average in the low 100s F. As soon as a site has any flash content the temps shoot to 180+F. This is true if the site has a tiny Flash ad, or a Flash intensive site like YouTube or Flash games.

On my systems with poor cooling (I.E. Mac Minis or Mac Books), the heat caused by Flash will typically cause the computer to stutter or freeze up or in rare cases crash completely.

@ John Doe – You did not state that you have a Mac or how you are determining your CPU usage percentage, but I’m assuming you are using Task Manager in a Windows PC. If you are not, then please check your facts, rather than making up numbers to support a false argument. Or you are Astroturfing, deliberately using poor grammar to make it look like you are not an Adobe employee.

Simply put, Flash is currently poorly implemented for the Macintosh OS.

The whole point of this is this is NOT OS9, the internet DOES exist; Apple doesn’t need to bundle crapware on a DVD, if users want it then they can use that happyfun internet, download said crapware, put their admin password in and pollute their own machines. Then, when their machine starts spinlocking they can ask themselves ‘what changed?’ and then REMOVE IT.

Third party crapware should NEVER be bundled by the platform vendor — that’s an HP, Dell, or Microsoft trick. NOT Apple. At all.

Also: remember: why did both Google and Apple have to design ‘plugin sandboxing’ into their browsers? What was their main reason for doing so? Bueller? Bueller?

Postscript: Saying Flash is ‘important’. Hah, that’s a good one. Just like animated gif & MIDI on web pages used to be ‘important’.

The fact that flash works fine for one person isn’t really a good argument in favor of it when completely wrecks the user experience for other people.

I don’t know what universe you live in, but this is what I deal with on a daily basis:

http://i.imgur.com/jiGpp.jpg

That is Flash crashing, AGAIN!

I experience this several times a day. If I didn’t have to work with it, I would uninstall it completely. Clearly Adobe does not want to support or improve this software for the Mac user base.

If Adobe wouldn’t have slipped with the performance, they might have been able to keep it around longer.