Comments on: Run Firefox 4 on a PowerPC Mac with TenFourFox http://osxdaily.com/2011/05/10/run-firefox-4-on-a-powerpc-mac-with-tenfourfox/ News, tips, software, reviews, and more for Mac OS X, iPhone, iPad Thu, 23 May 2013 18:55:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Classilla is a Modern Web Browser for Classic Mac OS 9 http://osxdaily.com/2011/05/10/run-firefox-4-on-a-powerpc-mac-with-tenfourfox/#comment-274978 Classilla is a Modern Web Browser for Classic Mac OS 9 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:58:24 +0000 http://osxdaily.com/?p=15924#comment-274978 [...] those PPC Macs running older versions of Mac OS X, don’t miss TenFourFox, a modern FireFox port for older pre-intel Macs running 10.4. [...] [...] those PPC Macs running older versions of Mac OS X, don’t miss TenFourFox, a modern FireFox port for older pre-intel Macs running 10.4. [...]

]]> By: PandaJ http://osxdaily.com/2011/05/10/run-firefox-4-on-a-powerpc-mac-with-tenfourfox/#comment-200214 PandaJ Mon, 30 May 2011 14:17:55 +0000 http://osxdaily.com/?p=15924#comment-200214 The problem is that TenFourFox is designed for the author's own personal use and is therefore made to run on 10.4 without newer 10.5 features, namely hardware acceleration. In other words, it will run like crap on newer (10.5 capable) PPC Macs (or ones upgraded to that status; I have ATI Radeon 9800 Pro and 1.8GHz 7448 G4 here) that support hardware acceleration and Core Animation. The "Furb" builds keep acceleration intact and should feel much faster overall, although TenFour has a finished Javascript JIT compiler working and so it will do Javascript much faster (over 2x faster). I understand the author sent the finished JIT compiler back to the Firefox team (which solves 1 of their 2 given reasons why they can't be bothered to support PPC) and they apparently don't care since it was all just a bunch of BS excuses to save them some work. They'll continue to support WinXP, though (from 2001 era). I put most of the blame on Apple, though. They didn't have to remove PPC support from XCode (which effectively makes it a nightmare for newer software to easily include PPC support) and thus Apple shows its contempt for users of old machines, proving they only care about making more money trying to force you to upgrade your hardware even if it works fine for your needs. Apple has no soul anymore and Steve Jobs only cares about smart phones these days. The latter can be shown the lack of progress in OSX (Lion) proper such as no OpenGL 4.x, still no resolution independent display despite support being announced clear back in Tiger, ancient graphic drivers that never get updated and therefore run games available on both platforms at 1/2 to 1/3 the speed of same hardware in Windows (not updating OpenGL doesn't help either), etc. Instead, iOS is being integrated back into OSX (App store added, so they can get their 30% of gross profits of ALL developers for the OSX platform), LaunchPad is slowly going to replace the Finder for a more 'iOS' feel to OSX (and one day will probably mean App store only for software thus removing all competition to Apple brand software; no Firefox at all, for example) and turning the Mac into a giant turd once again like it was in the OS9 days. Maybe they can go back to cooperative multi-tasking (iOS's piddly multitasking isn't much better) and bring Apple networking back and every other thing they seem to like to do to isolate the Mac from real computers (e.g. no USB3 and Thunderbolt on Mini-Display Port connector that no one else will use, etc.) The problem is that TenFourFox is designed for the author’s own personal use and is therefore made to run on 10.4 without newer 10.5 features, namely hardware acceleration. In other words, it will run like crap on newer (10.5 capable) PPC Macs (or ones upgraded to that status; I have ATI Radeon 9800 Pro and 1.8GHz 7448 G4 here) that support hardware acceleration and Core Animation. The “Furb” builds keep acceleration intact and should feel much faster overall, although TenFour has a finished Javascript JIT compiler working and so it will do Javascript much faster (over 2x faster).

I understand the author sent the finished JIT compiler back to the Firefox team (which solves 1 of their 2 given reasons why they can’t be bothered to support PPC) and they apparently don’t care since it was all just a bunch of BS excuses to save them some work. They’ll continue to support WinXP, though (from 2001 era).

I put most of the blame on Apple, though. They didn’t have to remove PPC support from XCode (which effectively makes it a nightmare for newer software to easily include PPC support) and thus Apple shows its contempt for users of old machines, proving they only care about making more money trying to force you to upgrade your hardware even if it works fine for your needs. Apple has no soul anymore and Steve Jobs only cares about smart phones these days.

The latter can be shown the lack of progress in OSX (Lion) proper such as no OpenGL 4.x, still no resolution independent display despite support being announced clear back in Tiger, ancient graphic drivers that never get updated and therefore run games available on both platforms at 1/2 to 1/3 the speed of same hardware in Windows (not updating OpenGL doesn’t help either), etc. Instead, iOS is being integrated back into OSX (App store added, so they can get their 30% of gross profits of ALL developers for the OSX platform), LaunchPad is slowly going to replace the Finder for a more ‘iOS’ feel to OSX (and one day will probably mean App store only for software thus removing all competition to Apple brand software; no Firefox at all, for example) and turning the Mac into a giant turd once again like it was in the OS9 days. Maybe they can go back to cooperative multi-tasking (iOS’s piddly multitasking isn’t much better) and bring Apple networking back and every other thing they seem to like to do to isolate the Mac from real computers (e.g. no USB3 and Thunderbolt on Mini-Display Port connector that no one else will use, etc.)

]]> By: Donut http://osxdaily.com/2011/05/10/run-firefox-4-on-a-powerpc-mac-with-tenfourfox/#comment-196200 Donut Wed, 11 May 2011 17:36:55 +0000 http://osxdaily.com/?p=15924#comment-196200 not sure if im the only one thats gotten poor performance out of TenFourFox. been using it for several months and always updating it. but it lags so much that its almost unusable. i tried using a PPC build of Camino, and that runs great. its fast and pages render quickly. though of course it lacks extension support. not sure if im the only one thats gotten poor performance out of TenFourFox. been using it for several months and always updating it.

but it lags so much that its almost unusable. i tried using a PPC build of Camino, and that runs great. its fast and pages render quickly. though of course it lacks extension support.

]]> By: joshua http://osxdaily.com/2011/05/10/run-firefox-4-on-a-powerpc-mac-with-tenfourfox/#comment-196188 joshua Wed, 11 May 2011 16:38:48 +0000 http://osxdaily.com/?p=15924#comment-196188 i've been using tenfourfox exclusively for about 6 months now on my soon to be extinct PPC mac pro box. love it. all the extensions and scripts i use all work flawlessly with it. i was using the builds in the link zedd posted prior to that...but tenfourfox has always seemed more stable for me. they also just recently implemented an update available notification too. much less of a headache than dealing with those beta builds and all that junk. i’ve been using tenfourfox exclusively for about 6 months now on my soon to be extinct PPC mac pro box. love it. all the extensions and scripts i use all work flawlessly with it. i was using the builds in the link zedd posted prior to that…but tenfourfox has always seemed more stable for me. they also just recently implemented an update available notification too. much less of a headache than dealing with those beta builds and all that junk.

]]> By: Zedd http://osxdaily.com/2011/05/10/run-firefox-4-on-a-powerpc-mac-with-tenfourfox/#comment-196090 Zedd Wed, 11 May 2011 03:09:40 +0000 http://osxdaily.com/?p=15924#comment-196090 You can get the genuine firefox 4 optimized for PPC here: http://firefoxmac.furbism.com/ You can get the genuine firefox 4 optimized for PPC here: http://firefoxmac.furbism.com/

]]> By: Moving to Linuxville http://osxdaily.com/2011/05/10/run-firefox-4-on-a-powerpc-mac-with-tenfourfox/#comment-196078 Moving to Linuxville Wed, 11 May 2011 01:08:04 +0000 http://osxdaily.com/?p=15924#comment-196078 And in a year or two, someone will be writing TenSevenFox to get Firefox 6 to work on the abandoned Intel architecture after Apple moves to ARM... say it ain't so! And in a year or two, someone will be writing TenSevenFox to get Firefox 6 to work on the abandoned Intel architecture after Apple moves to ARM… say it ain’t so!

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