Comments on: Workaround for Having No Scrollbar Arrows in Mac OS X Lion

By: a better workaround maybe?

a better workaround maybe? — Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:13:13 +0000

System prefs> General

Scroll bar modest option
example ss: http://tinyurl.com/cfzk29b

By: R

Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:59:54 +0000

Woww.. Steve was amazing. And I’m sure things would be a whole lot different with technology today if he were still around.

The kind of new technology that Steve perfected with the iPhone set other phones apart. However, it is a PHONE and it is perfect for phone features but to put similar phone features in everything and anything that has a motherboard is overboard. And I’m about done with it.. or at least I wish I could be… there’s no work you can do today without a wifi or cpu device.

I find however this enthusiasm with new kinds of carpal tunnel is easier on newer generations who havent grown up with bulky colorful macs or constantly failing windows. For newer generations, these new innovations in technology are much more adaptable than those of us who have worked with computers for years before these features became implemented everywhere, in everything.

“Oh, and to all you ignoramuses who think the scrollbar arrows were stupid: We professional designers cannot do the work we do with trackpads or laptop keyboards or screens. We use larger displays, external keyboards, and external mice and graphics tablets. We are not recreational users. We use our Macs to earn a living, not to play games or look at family photos. And to the suggestion that we use the keyboards arrow keys — well, please think just ONE MOMENT further about this advice. What happens if my cursor is positioned in text, as it so often is, and I use the arrow keys? Get it now? My Mac is costing me time, which is costing me money.”

^Thank You!! Most likely people will be buying more windows and trolling ebay for older versions of mac, so in turn, I’m not sure where the computer aspect of Mac is going but people will still be buying every, version of the iphone even 20 yrs from now.

I’m almost willing to settle for a slightly less advanced cpu just to be able to breathe a sigh of relief when I have to work for hours in tons of lines of code and I cant scroll! and left or right clicking without the actual button is slowly making me tweak me out. And yes, I’m assuming if there are scroll bars, they will be tiny as all hell. I mean, is that really so much space its taking up in a window? With everything that a browser comes with, added toolbars and thousands of apps?

Whoever thought up being on the computer even longer {because no one has made options for users that make it so we’re not browsing forever,} is an a$$face.

By: Melmoth

Melmoth — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 04:22:07 +0000

Precisely, they make their software assuming that a piece of their shitty hardware actually works. I have bought 2 of Mighty Mouses and both scroll balls stopped working within a few months. I don’t know how they overlooked this. When you take away a feature it should be because it is obsolete and only serves to clutter the interface which it clearly does not.

It irritates me that they don’t even give a care either because the sleek design is what sells and that’s all they care about.

By: brandon

brandon — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 20:43:20 +0000

I’ve read most of these comments, and I can’t believe I haven’t read one that mentions my biggest complaint about no scroll arrows: MY SCROLL WHEEL DOESN’T WORK ALL THE TIME!
Ever since scroll wheels have been around, they have gotten dirty and quit working on occasion. This happens to all types of mechanical scroll wheels AND balls (i.e. Magic Mouse). Yes, I know how to clean it (altho it is easier with old fashioned scroll wheels than with the Mighty Mouse, which you can’t take apart to truly clean.)
I would love to use the wheel to scroll, but when it doesn’t work, why should I have to endure the scroll bar with NO arrows?!? ugh, Apple, you frustrate me.

By: me

me — Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:23:57 +0000

I am trying to read/scan a large article and want to get the screen scrolling slowly and continuously, not fast and jerky like my scroll wheel. I use to be able to click down with my scroll wheel for this kind of scrolling, but that was not always available. But the scroll buttons always worked slowly and consistently. Now my finger is getting tired from scroll wheel and my eyes are going buggy from nonsmooth motion.

By: rkusa

rkusa — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:59:03 +0000

Since there are so many ways people interact with their computer for various needs, having the option for the arrows should still be there. My problem, as stated by someone earlier, is that I use a Wacom tablet, and using the scroll bar with the stylus is not accurate enough when going through hundreds of files because it’s too sensitive—and using the arrow keys mean I have to take my hand off the stylus or out of position to use them (not a problem if you’re left-handed, but annoying if you’re a righty).

By: Garry

Garry — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:52:07 +0000

Why would Apple make such a massive ****-up as taking out the arrows? Just make it an option to remove them. This is making the machine harder to operate. I agree with the arguments as to why the arrows are needed … no need for me to repeat them or give new examples. But what puzzles me is why Apple arbitrarily changes something that has worked so well for so long without even giving people a chance to keep doing things as they like when to implement change as an option would be VERY SIMPLE!!! I am disgusted.

By: JGK

JGK — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:29:30 +0000

Well, I just ran into my first, “Oh sh*t, no scroll arrows” moment. (I only upgraded to Mtn Lion a few weeks ago, after being on Snow Leopard up to that point.) In Quicken, scroll arrows allowed me to move up and down through register entries. Arrow keys act differently, expanding entries with splits, forcing the cursor into the split, where I have to manually move it back out again. And dragging (of course) doesn’t provide enough granularity.

As a Mac user since 1984 (and even a Lisa user before that), it’s sad to see things like this happening. I truly cannot recall a new OS version that has frustrated me more than the releases of late (specifically, Lion onwards).

By: Graham

Graham — Wed, 24 Oct 2012 05:09:06 +0000

…. dragging the scroll bar … not the Menu bar

By: Graham

Graham — Wed, 24 Oct 2012 05:07:32 +0000

It is insane thing to completely omit the possibility of having scroll arrows in a GUI. The people who think that their removal is an improvement should try doing anything in a massive Excel spreadsheet (hundreds of columns by thousands of rows). It is totally IMPOSSIBLE to move the screen view one or two cells by swiping the trackpad or by dragging the menu bar. The up-down-left-right keys on the keyboard are not a solution …. they are both frustratingly slow AND they take the cursor away from where it needs to be (in the active cell).
This is a real slap in the face for scientific users who need to process large volumes of data.

By: Webster

Webster — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 06:08:59 +0000

Count me as another vote to make the arrows in the scrollbar an option for those of us who find it easier to navigate that way. Using the arrow buttons or the track pad on my MacBook Pro really doesn’t work well for me as it hurts my hands. Poor interface design, indeed. As I said, if it’s an option, you can turn them off if you don’t want ‘em or on if you do. Is it really that hard for Apple to offer that?

By: Alex

Alex — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 05:08:22 +0000

Usually, when someone insults us with “in my opinion…” he/she is always wrong… in my opinion, damn it !

By: Sarah Jayne Davies

Sarah Jayne Davies — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:36:57 +0000

Oh, and you think everybody can use a mouse, scroll wheel, TrackPad do you? Nice thought, but dream on…

I have been a Mac user for ten years and have had phone calls from a director at Apple Europe as I have complained about the removal of the scroll bar arrows so bitterly. I have argued and argued for them to be made optional.

Why?

Because I have worked in various positions in assistive technology, and happen to have cerebral palsy which mainly affects my arm control quite severely.

For an explanation of assistive technology, goto:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assistive_technology

Although I am more physically able than the young girl in the video linked to below, I have the same type of difficulties, and use the same software (which I beta tested for a long time), and have the trackerball version of the joystick device that she has.

Apart from the thousands of people not stating a disability when complaining to Apple, how do you think people with physical disabilities such as that girl, and those on other Assistive Ware videos cope with scrolling with no “stupid / ridiculous” arrows as you call them?

I am not expecting every Apple user to be aware of AT, but please just be a bit more broad minded and consider some aspects of an OS essential for people who happen to have a disability.

Thank you,
Sarah in Cornwall, England

By: nowradioguy

nowradioguy — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 02:22:57 +0000

I agree with most of the others. Just shut up. If you don’t like the scroll arrows, unlike the rest of us, then don’t freakin’ use them. Let those of us who know how to use them have the choice to do so.

By: amber

amber — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 05:04:43 +0000

in case this hasn’t been mentioned yet – using the arrow keys on the keyboard don’t work with quick look, it moves you to the next item not further down your document.

this truly is a terrible, terrible design. just put the dang arrows back, jeez!