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	<title>Comments on: Join Songs in iTunes to Play Together as a Group When Shuffled</title>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
		<link>http://osxdaily.com/2012/04/30/join-songs-in-itunes-to-play-together-as-a-group-when-shuffled/#comment-530593</link>
		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>March 2013:

As of iTunes version 11.0.2, there is not a selection for &quot;Gapless album&quot; in the options. However, once you set your series of songs up to be part of a compilation, you are presented with the option to &quot;Join CD Tracks&quot; which gives you the same end result as this how-to article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>March 2013:</p>
<p>As of iTunes version 11.0.2, there is not a selection for &#8220;Gapless album&#8221; in the options. However, once you set your series of songs up to be part of a compilation, you are presented with the option to &#8220;Join CD Tracks&#8221; which gives you the same end result as this how-to article.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://osxdaily.com/2012/04/30/join-songs-in-itunes-to-play-together-as-a-group-when-shuffled/#comment-457664</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 02:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was doing the instructions above while in my playlist and it wouldn&#039;t work. Then I looked in my Music folder and noticed that the 2 songs I had joined were in a separate row from the album so I dragged the 2 songs into my playlist and it worked from there. So if I had to guess, don&#039;t join the songs while they are in the playlist but instead from music tab. Just my personal experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was doing the instructions above while in my playlist and it wouldn&#8217;t work. Then I looked in my Music folder and noticed that the 2 songs I had joined were in a separate row from the album so I dragged the 2 songs into my playlist and it worked from there. So if I had to guess, don&#8217;t join the songs while they are in the playlist but instead from music tab. Just my personal experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 13:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This worked well. One time they played out of order, i.e. the second song first so I changed the remember position in the option box and it seems to have corrected it. Thanks for the help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This worked well. One time they played out of order, i.e. the second song first so I changed the remember position in the option box and it seems to have corrected it. Thanks for the help.</p>
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		<title>By: Shari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 03:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your instructions were right on the mark for using Shuffle, Br Groupings. It worked perfectly the first time I tried it.  That was after several unsuccessful attempts.  Thanks!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your instructions were right on the mark for using Shuffle, Br Groupings. It worked perfectly the first time I tried it.  That was after several unsuccessful attempts.  Thanks!!</p>
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		<title>By: ubucraig</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubucraig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 22:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When none of the above worked for me, in my attempt to join &quot;Polythene Pam&quot; to &quot;She Came in through the Bathroom Window&quot; (Beatles, Abbey Road), I called Apple. They basically said it couldn&#039;t be done (&quot;create a play list with only those two songs&quot; or &quot;use a third party software to join the songs as one.&quot;) Those are real quotes.

So, the solution is to use Pro Tools - a magnificent, high-end professional audio editing software, that costs a few thousand dollars, and should only take you a month or two (or ten) to learn how to use it. 

My solution: download Quicktime 7 (yes, it&#039;s still up there) and upgrade it to a &quot;Pro&quot; version. QT7 Pro can edit audio and video. I already had an ancient Quicktime Pro license, and I dragged Polythene Pam and Bathroom Window to my desktop, opened them both and copied one to the other. Voila! Done! Except for one little &quot;bump&quot; at the cut point.

Now, iTunes is not a precision software, and you may discover, as I did, that there is a fraction of a second overlap or gap between the songs. You can live with this very minor bump, or, if you&#039;re like me, you&#039;ll spend several hours compulsively using the wrong tools to fix it. By &quot;wrong tools&quot; I mean QT&amp; or something like CD Spin Doctor.

Now, CD Spin Doctor is a great tool for digitizing vinyl record albums. I&#039;ve converted hundreds of 60s-70s records to iTunes with it. But version 11 was indecipherable (to me anyway). So I tried V10; but I had forgotten that 10 had a known bug that I never quite got around to fixing (the bug is that it doesn&#039;t open). So I opened Version 7. Like Pro Tools, it displays the audio waveform. I could SEE the audio &quot;bump!&quot; But I also discovered that CD Spin Doctor really is not happy when you try to &quot;cut&quot; a fraction of a second from an audio clip, despite a &quot;sync start time to previous clip.&quot; No matter how I manipulated the &quot;tracks&quot; it wouldn&#039;t define a space that small it.

So, I went back to Quicktime 7 Pro. Now, Quicktime, like iMovie, is not a precision software. You can&#039;t move the mouse &quot;fractions of a second.&quot; But you CAN make the QT7 timeline about ten screens long by extending it and shoving the left side of the time-line off the screen. As the line gets longer and longer, the increments seem smaller and smaller. In any case, by these methods (and shear luck), I was able to &quot;not copy&quot; the last redundant fraction of a note from &quot;Polythene&quot; and when I cut it to &quot;Bathroom,&quot; it was perfect (yes, I am musically trained - I know of which I speak). I then exported the result from Quicktime to AIF and imported back into iTunes and created an AAC.

Simple, ey? No? Not simple? Well, you&#039;re right; it&#039;s not simple. It&#039;s ugly. So, you mean the dudes at Apple can be as inept as the rest of us? How refreshing.  Apple can screw up it&#039;s flagship software. Let&#039;s hope government is never run like a business.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When none of the above worked for me, in my attempt to join &#8220;Polythene Pam&#8221; to &#8220;She Came in through the Bathroom Window&#8221; (Beatles, Abbey Road), I called Apple. They basically said it couldn&#8217;t be done (&#8220;create a play list with only those two songs&#8221; or &#8220;use a third party software to join the songs as one.&#8221;) Those are real quotes.</p>
<p>So, the solution is to use Pro Tools &#8211; a magnificent, high-end professional audio editing software, that costs a few thousand dollars, and should only take you a month or two (or ten) to learn how to use it. </p>
<p>My solution: download Quicktime 7 (yes, it&#8217;s still up there) and upgrade it to a &#8220;Pro&#8221; version. QT7 Pro can edit audio and video. I already had an ancient Quicktime Pro license, and I dragged Polythene Pam and Bathroom Window to my desktop, opened them both and copied one to the other. Voila! Done! Except for one little &#8220;bump&#8221; at the cut point.</p>
<p>Now, iTunes is not a precision software, and you may discover, as I did, that there is a fraction of a second overlap or gap between the songs. You can live with this very minor bump, or, if you&#8217;re like me, you&#8217;ll spend several hours compulsively using the wrong tools to fix it. By &#8220;wrong tools&#8221; I mean QT&amp; or something like CD Spin Doctor.</p>
<p>Now, CD Spin Doctor is a great tool for digitizing vinyl record albums. I&#8217;ve converted hundreds of 60s-70s records to iTunes with it. But version 11 was indecipherable (to me anyway). So I tried V10; but I had forgotten that 10 had a known bug that I never quite got around to fixing (the bug is that it doesn&#8217;t open). So I opened Version 7. Like Pro Tools, it displays the audio waveform. I could SEE the audio &#8220;bump!&#8221; But I also discovered that CD Spin Doctor really is not happy when you try to &#8220;cut&#8221; a fraction of a second from an audio clip, despite a &#8220;sync start time to previous clip.&#8221; No matter how I manipulated the &#8220;tracks&#8221; it wouldn&#8217;t define a space that small it.</p>
<p>So, I went back to Quicktime 7 Pro. Now, Quicktime, like iMovie, is not a precision software. You can&#8217;t move the mouse &#8220;fractions of a second.&#8221; But you CAN make the QT7 timeline about ten screens long by extending it and shoving the left side of the time-line off the screen. As the line gets longer and longer, the increments seem smaller and smaller. In any case, by these methods (and shear luck), I was able to &#8220;not copy&#8221; the last redundant fraction of a note from &#8220;Polythene&#8221; and when I cut it to &#8220;Bathroom,&#8221; it was perfect (yes, I am musically trained &#8211; I know of which I speak). I then exported the result from Quicktime to AIF and imported back into iTunes and created an AAC.</p>
<p>Simple, ey? No? Not simple? Well, you&#8217;re right; it&#8217;s not simple. It&#8217;s ugly. So, you mean the dudes at Apple can be as inept as the rest of us? How refreshing.  Apple can screw up it&#8217;s flagship software. Let&#8217;s hope government is never run like a business.  <img src='http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: KP</title>
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		<dc:creator>KP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this was a recent change in iTunes. It used to work for me, but stopped. I&#039;m currently using 10.6.3. Now, what you need to do to enable the play-by-grouping feature is to go to the Controls menu and choose Shuffle, By Groupings. 

In each song to be grouped, put a common string in the Grouping field in Get Info. This has nothing to do with Gapless Albums (though that may also be desirable) or Compilations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this was a recent change in iTunes. It used to work for me, but stopped. I&#8217;m currently using 10.6.3. Now, what you need to do to enable the play-by-grouping feature is to go to the Controls menu and choose Shuffle, By Groupings. </p>
<p>In each song to be grouped, put a common string in the Grouping field in Get Info. This has nothing to do with Gapless Albums (though that may also be desirable) or Compilations.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 12:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t work for me either. With and without checking compilation. Major hassle for classical movements. Worse, when I go back after seeing if it worked, the setting check marks (if they were checked) were no longer checked. But the YES or NO&#039;s were fine. As if checked settings never got saved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t work for me either. With and without checking compilation. Major hassle for classical movements. Worse, when I go back after seeing if it worked, the setting check marks (if they were checked) were no longer checked. But the YES or NO&#8217;s were fine. As if checked settings never got saved?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 12:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t work for me either.  I&#039;ve tried leaving &quot;compilation&quot; unchecked.  You would think that this is something that should be pretty simple to do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t work for me either.  I&#8217;ve tried leaving &#8220;compilation&#8221; unchecked.  You would think that this is something that should be pretty simple to do!</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 01:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does         Not         Work.</description>
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		<title>By: jcab</title>
		<link>http://osxdaily.com/2012/04/30/join-songs-in-itunes-to-play-together-as-a-group-when-shuffled/#comment-384297</link>
		<dc:creator>jcab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 21:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncheck the compilation option, leave &quot;Gapless playback&quot; checked. Works as intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncheck the compilation option, leave &#8220;Gapless playback&#8221; checked. Works as intended.</p>
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		<title>By: JD123</title>
		<link>http://osxdaily.com/2012/04/30/join-songs-in-itunes-to-play-together-as-a-group-when-shuffled/#comment-384055</link>
		<dc:creator>JD123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 03:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also tried numerous times, checking, unchecking etc... with NO Success.  Even printed out the article to make sure I was following all of the steps correctly.  I was really excited about this tip, but I have not been able to make it work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also tried numerous times, checking, unchecking etc&#8230; with NO Success.  Even printed out the article to make sure I was following all of the steps correctly.  I was really excited about this tip, but I have not been able to make it work.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
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		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 00:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worked for me, weird.</description>
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		<title>By: Mig954</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mig954</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the tip I was looking for.  Unfortunately it is not working for me.  Is there something I am missing?  A setting somewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the tip I was looking for.  Unfortunately it is not working for me.  Is there something I am missing?  A setting somewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Peoples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Peoples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry... no.

It doesn&#039;t actually work that way.

I just tried exactly what you said (using the Led Zeppelin songs &quot;Heartbreaker&quot; and &quot;Living Loving Maid&quot; (two songs meant to be played back to back).

I then added these two songs plus two others to a new playlist, selected one of the other songs, pressed &quot;play&quot;, then pressed &quot;shuffle&quot;.  When the current song completed, iTunes played &quot;Living Loving Maid&quot; then the fourth song in the playlist and then &quot;Heartbreaker&quot;.

Epic fail.

Also... once I made the change suggested here, the song order for the album (e.g. Led Zeppelin II) was now broken.

I&#039;ve since reverted all changes suggested by this article.

It is my opinion that the suggestions made by this article do not render the stated results.

Please feel free to try for yourself and report your own results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8230; no.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t actually work that way.</p>
<p>I just tried exactly what you said (using the Led Zeppelin songs &#8220;Heartbreaker&#8221; and &#8220;Living Loving Maid&#8221; (two songs meant to be played back to back).</p>
<p>I then added these two songs plus two others to a new playlist, selected one of the other songs, pressed &#8220;play&#8221;, then pressed &#8220;shuffle&#8221;.  When the current song completed, iTunes played &#8220;Living Loving Maid&#8221; then the fourth song in the playlist and then &#8220;Heartbreaker&#8221;.</p>
<p>Epic fail.</p>
<p>Also&#8230; once I made the change suggested here, the song order for the album (e.g. Led Zeppelin II) was now broken.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve since reverted all changes suggested by this article.</p>
<p>It is my opinion that the suggestions made by this article do not render the stated results.</p>
<p>Please feel free to try for yourself and report your own results.</p>
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		<title>By: Dukakis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dukakis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a handy AppleScript from Doug&#039;s scripts that will actually join the songs together into a unified track if anyone is interested in that. It&#039;s free and speedy too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a handy AppleScript from Doug&#8217;s scripts that will actually join the songs together into a unified track if anyone is interested in that. It&#8217;s free and speedy too.</p>
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